Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: Why I don't trust Trinitaryans' interpretation
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The Trinity is one God in three Divine Persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are of one substance, co-equal, and co-eternal. Their persons are distinct from each other, and have relate differently to each other within the Godhead. Each is fully God, but is not a separate God, it is one God.
Above quote is Brian's (Trinitarian). I asked him to quote the scriptures to prove his claim but he could not. I brought the doctrine of trinity because this is their biggest doctrine.
I use Jesus' teachings and warning when I make all my discernment. Jesus says bad trees cannot produce good fruit. Trinitarians are promoting sin by supporting the military which is against Jesus' teaching of "love your enemy". They are doing the exact opposite of what Jesus teaches by supporting and joining the military. This is another major rotten fruit as a whole. I realize that Mennonites are pacifists too but they are one of very few trinitarians.
Matthew 7:17
Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Matthew 12:33
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
Luke 6:43
"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.
Matthew 5:43-48
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Leviticus 19:18 (New International Version)
18 " 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
I believe that MOST people that believe Jesus to BE God have simply NOT followed through with a complete reconing of scripture.
Paul acknowledges that God is OUR God AND THE God of Christ as well. This statement ALONE is able to disprove 'trinity'. And Paul offers it not once BUT OVER AND OVER.
Jesus SAID that He IS The Son of God. Not Son of the Father, ('trinity', as in Father, Son and Spirit). God stated that Christ IS HIS SON. The apostles stated that Christ IS The Son of God. The apostles stated that God IS Christ's Father.
Instead of picking and choosing individual scripture in which lie mystery, why not simply ACCEPT what has been offered IN TRUTH?
God has NOT hidden His identity. Christ Himself proclaimed God as His Father. And we were WARNED that there WOULD come those that would introduce doctrine NOT OFFERED by the Christ or His apostles. ALL that 'trinitarians' NEED do is offer WHERE Christ OR the apostles offered 'trinity', to SHOW that this IS doctrine TAUGHT by them. If you cannot, then it is OBVIOUS where this doctrine came from. If it DIDN'T come from God, Christ or the apostles, then it came from MEN.
Trinitarians are accepting man-made doctrine as their core belief, and using it to ostracize their opposers; this is no secret, most trinitarians know it. There is no Scripture saying you have to accept man-made doctrine to be saved.
I asked trinitarians why JWs are not Christians, their answer was because they dont believe in trinity. I was ostracized by trinitarian churches and was refused to be cooperated because I am non-trin. You have your forum rules about trinity in the first of the list, BBB.
There are all kinds of evil going on in the Christian community and by refusing to talk about it we are being enablers because that's how evil keeps going. We cannot stop satan's work but Christians should not be part of his work. Jesus wants us to be pure, perfect, righteous and holy as He is. By being enablers of evil deeds, we are helping satan, not Jesus. Jesus tells us that His followers are not of this world, by being politically correct we are part of this world. This world is controlled by satan.
James 4:4
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
John 15:19
If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
John 17:14
I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.
Luke 14:33
In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 5:13-14 (New International Version)
13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.
Ephesians 5:27
and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
Revelation 2:6 (New American Standard Bible)
6'Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the (A)Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Revelation 2:20 (New American Standard Bible)
20'But (A)I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman (B)Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they (C)commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
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