Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: "Work will not save you"
Let see what the Scripture say about our work:
1 Peter 4:18-19 (New International Version)
18And,
"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"[a]
19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.
Luke 13:24
He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
Matthew 7:14
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Those are just a few warnings for Jesus' followers. Do you think we are being obedient to Jesus by preaching "your work will not save you"? I dont think so. By preaching your work will not save you, and rebuking and mocking those who are striving to be faithful to Jesus is not the way to be faithful to Jesus. All Jesus' commandments are work. _________________ YHWH is my God and Jesus is my Lord
What Jesus abolished is ceremonial law. We dont have to go through all kinds of ritual to give guilt offerings when we sin.
Most of us believe that Jesus' nailed all laws at the cross and insist that we dont have to obey any law.
We have to remember Jesus says to obey two commandments: love the Lord and love your neighbor as your selves. Guess what, the ten commandments are summary of those two. And He also goes into all kinds of details how to keep them in the New testament.
Let's not wash down Jesus' messages with "you cannot save yourselves with works." All of Jesus' commandments in the gospels are works. _________________ YHWH is my God and Jesus is my Lord
Last edited by joyful on Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
I believe that we are saved by Grace, which is a free gift from God.
However, in the course of our worship of our Father, we must perform certain works, as stated by Jesus and the Apostles. This does include the two great commandments that you mentioned.
As James said at CH 2;14-26;
"14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?
15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd?
21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."
So I believe,as I said, that we are saved by "grace" & yet we must demonstrate our standing as Christians by "faith & it's accompanying works." Not that faith & works save us, but that this shows our dedication to do the fathers will, & identifies us as true christians.
WCL,
Ion _________________ "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
>>However, in the course of our worship of our Father, we must perform certain works, as stated by Jesus and the Apostles.
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."
So I believe,as I said, that we are saved by "grace" & yet we must demonstrate our standing as Christians by "faith & it's accompanying works." Not that faith & works save us, but that this shows our dedication to do the fathers will, & identifies us as true christians. <<
We MUST have faith in Jesus, otherwise we would not be called out from Babylon & the worldly systems. This is highlighted by the final verse in the quote;
>"26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."<
Being faithfull encompasses many different things, & the works that we do, is the visible evidence of the faith in Yeshua that we have.
And yet, our reward for this, "being saved" is a free gift that cannot be earned in any way. Our Heavenly Father see's in us something that is dear to Him, this is why we are called, then we have the "free will" to accept or reject, that call from the Father.
Ion _________________ "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Are you saying that we will be saved without being faithful to Jesus?
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Ion,
This is a simple question. please dont make it complicated. Just answer it.
thanks.
My apology, I thought that I did answer your question.
We will not be saved without having faith in Jesus, & being faithfull to Him.
This faith is an active faith, as the last verse that I used says, "Faith without deeds is dead."
The important thing is that it is our FAITH & not our works that will save us. Our works are only an outward demonstration of our FAITH.
Ion _________________ "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
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