Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: the teaching of Christ 2John 9
The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9
9. "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." 2 John.
God's spirit lead us to see the importance given by Jehovah Himself to Christ's teaching !
But first , what is that teaching ?
-- Jesus answered to us :"16. Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me."
Again we see , apostle John wrote leaded by spirit :
17. "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. "
Jesus Himself said regarding to all His Father word (including the written word in the old t. ) :17. "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. " John 17.
The question is : if God's word in O.T. is truth , why ap. John said "the truth came through Jesus.." ?
As we can see , the knowledge/teaching God sent through His Son has priority.
Not Jesus , nor ap. John decided that , but Jehovah Himself !
Let us hear His voice :
5."While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" Matt.17
Now , what is to be understood through the expression "teaching of Christ" (only a part of what He preached)? Let Him answer to us :
20. "and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matt.28.
We are today under the same Jesus's commandment !
Apostle Paul agrees with this priority gave by Jehovah to the teaching of Christ: 1. "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2. but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe......" Hebrews 1.
also: "24. to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
25. See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? "Hebrews 12.
It has been prophesied that in the "latter days" there will be a certain action inside God's people :
10. It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11. It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought low. 12. Because of rebellion, the host of the saints and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.
13.Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?"
14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated." Daniel 8.
As we can see ,the truth is thrown down during the 2300 evenings and mornings. God's promise is , "then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
The action of reconsacrating take place when Jesus is present at the Temple ! When Jesus begins his action , He finds "the truth"-the correct understanding of His teaching-- down ! So He have to re-put His teaching to the place decided by Jehovah Himself!
It is written at Acts 3:21 : 21."He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets."
When Jesus starts his second presence , He does like that :
20. "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." Rev.3.
Also in Luke 12 :
37. "It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. "
What do you think He will serve at the table to those watching when He come ?
-- Exactly the correct understanding of "the teaching of Christ" !
Now , the further question is : What does Christ teach us regarding the Heavenly Kingdom , when was it set in Heaven, when was Satan thrown down from Heaven , when was Jesus enthroned , when get fullfiled Psalm 110:1 , etc... ?
Let us consider Jesus words:"20.and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
If Jesus was always with His followers , what does his second presence mean ? Really started it in 1914 ?
Now , the further question is : What does Christ teach us regarding the Heavenly Kingdom
Heavenly kingdom and Heaven is completely different IMHO. and heavenly kingdome seems peaceful kingdome to me. ,
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when was it set in Heaven, when was Satan thrown down from Heaven , when was Jesus enthroned , when get fullfiled Psalm 110:1 , etc... ?
I believe it is when Jesus ascended to heaven right after He got crucified.
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Let us consider Jesus words:"20.and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
I believe it is all His teachings in the New Testament including His disciples' because they got instruction from Jesus directly.
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If Jesus was always with His followers , what does his second presence mean ? Really started it in 1914 ?
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: are you/do you dwell/ in the "teaching of Christ ?
2 John 1:
9. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
So , the right question arises :
"are you/do you abide/ in the "teaching of Christ ?
my dear brother Sas Gavril , helped by "the Helper" finished to write the series of articles
"Are you in the teaching of Christ?"
they may be found on that page
I feel the need and I see the necesity to go ahead in speaking the things I understand....
when the man of God approaches on Bible's prophecies he must understand some of the things about God who "uttered" them
1)
proverbs 25 :
2. It is the glory of God to conceal a thing;
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter. ASV
2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings. NIV
clearly we see the way God have done His prophecies , by "concealing" their meaning/understanding .
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2)
Job 34 :
29. When he giveth quietness, who then can condemn?
And when he hideth his face, who then can behold him?
Alike whether it be done unto a nation, or unto a man: ASV
we see that God has two kind of "relationship" with men :
- individually , or He "works" with (only) a man
and
- colectivelly as a "people" or a "nation"/He works with/within the entire nation as "one"
from the above scripture we may understand that God may be "wrathfull" on/over a nation/people , but in the meantime be in "peacefull relationship" with an individual of that people/nation .
example : God became wrathfull over Jews as the entire nation and delivered them to Babylonians ,
while He had a peacefull relationship with Daniel and his 3 friends , taking care of them (but the fact that God took care of them doesn't mean they weren't taken captive ...as members of that nation )
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3)
Job 33
14 For God does speak
— now one way, now another —
though man may not perceive it. ASV
we see that God may and surely He did speak "now a way" then in "another way" , but regarding the same things/events/situations/etc.
firstly, God is speaking this way because of His glory of "concealing" the things
secondly, the truth/ the way God is seeing the realities from His high point of view is so deep and so complex , that is necessary to be spoken about it in many/several ways as to reveal more or all aspects of it
let us see an example
to Gog of Magog Jehovah has said...Ezekiel 38
17. " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel?
At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them.
well, Jehovah has spoken about him (Gog) through His (several) prophets , but where ?
I will tell you here only one (other) prophet : Isaiah 14:1-19.
please give attention to the verse 16 :
16 They that see thee shall gaze at thee, they shall consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;...?
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4)
it comes again to be repeated the importance God , the Father, is giving to the "teaching of Christ"
see the first post on this topic ...
God is setting His own order as the way of interpreting His own prophecies
-- while all God's word is truth , and it (OT) forms the "ground" for the teachings of Jesus ,
-- the Father decided and ordered that we must obey His Son / Matt.17:5 ... by these words He emphasises Jesus teachings as "the foundation" for further understandings from prophecies
indeed , through Jesus, the Father has teached us something new :
-- He is spirit , and He wants "worshipers with spirit and with truth"
that implies a "way" of taking/considering the prophecies , "with spirit" , or "according to Father's will"
-- Jesus is come "to fulfil ... the prophecies" / that means the prophecies does have their (spiritual) fulfilment "in Christ"
at that point I want to say that during the time , many christians have seen many similarities between different prophetic parts ... and events of the world, and they concluded that that was the "interpretation" or the "fulfilment" of that prophecy ..
this way of reasoning have produced many errors in which both Bible Students , as also Jehovah's witnesses are continuing untill today !
5)
1 Samuel 16
7. (But Jehovah said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have rejected him )
for Jehovah seeth not as man seeth;
for man looketh on the outward appearance,
but Jehovah looketh on the heart.
we must attentively consider the above statement when searching the prophecies
there may be men/peoples living within His people , but God is addressing to them as "his enemies" , and they are , because God is seeing their hearth / pay attention to that .
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furthermore,
We find written by Paul ... (1 Tess. 5 )
20. do not treat prophecies with contempt.
21. Test everything. Hold on to the good.
22. Avoid every kind of evil.
NIV
20. Do not spurn the gifts and utterances of the prophets [do not depreciate prophetic revelations nor despise inspired instruction or exhortation or warning].
21. But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.
22. Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.
Amplified B.
I quoted the second trans. because it seems to exprime better some thoughts
-- while God has decided that the prophecies will happen during "the latter days" , the inspired instruction to the christians was to "do not treat prophecies with contempt", but to "test everything and hold on the good".
this was a real hard thing to do, for christians , considering that before of coming the real fulfilment foreseen by God, many situations arised (in the world) which could be easily likened to the (litera of) prophecies..
but the simple fact that they resemble , doesn't mean that that is the "truth", or the fulfilment "with spirit and with truth" which can help our worship to Father
and so, the christians should "wait" until they could recognise that they have the good/real meaning of the prophecy
Here is to be told that
it is God the One who did/uttered the prophecies,
and Who is watching over them to be fulfiled -- Jeremiah 1:11,12.
and Who did established the frame and the time of their fulfilment
as He aknowledged His servant Daniel about that (chapter 10 )
14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall
-- thy people
-- in the latter days;
for the vision is yet for many days:
Going to Jesus, we find that by his statement "your word is truth",
Jesus himself has given the real importance for us regarding the Fathers' "rule" of interpreting the prophecies ,
through the fact that he/Jesus obeyed it ! and used it !
Never had Jesus spoke any tale/report regarding the world's powers of that time , as fulfilling some part of any prophecie ,
BUT he did used parts of Daniel prophecies when speaking/prophetising regarding the events occuring at or previous of his (second) coming
see Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:24.
both by his words and by his way of using Daniel's prophecies,
Jesus did settled (as valid truth) God's word in Daniel 10:14 !
this is something we must obey, as our Father has commanded
"Listen to him !"
here it follows my answer to Abe
as on "PC" forum
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[quote=rus virgil]
9. "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." 2 John.
With love in Christ , r.v.
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Hello rus v,
Is this a teaching of Christ?
Revelation 1
1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. 3 Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near.
and was it written by the same John who wrote this:
9. "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." 2 John
In Christ
abe
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Dear Brother,
here we arrive at an important point
the same John has (by inspiration) said that (chapter 1 )
17. For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
here John was reffering to the teaching God has sent to us through His Son when he was on earth (son of man)
and the above statement, together with God's command "Listen to him"
does settle the fact that the teachings/truth spoken/told/taught by Jesus when on earth is, or forms the basis/foundation for the further revelations from God's word
Indeed, the Revelation came from Jesus Christ ,
BUT it is a prophecy (which has to be understood) ,
more than that , Revelation is a "conclusion of all prophecies" (mine expression)
and it cannot be well understood before knowing the teachings Jesus taught on earth , and also some of the "old prophecies" regarding God's people
if not respecting this order , the result surely will be a disastruous one .
here I will give an valid example
Bible searchers , taking in consideration Psalm 110:1 .. and Rev 12 :7-12 and other prophecies ,
have concluded that the Kingdom of God has started in Heavens in 1914 with the coronation of Jesus,
and with Satan's trowing down from Heaven,
and that was the "second coming" , and Jesus starting to rule "in the midst of his enemies"...etc...
well , if we really do obey Father ,
and take Jesus teachings as truth, and believe them ,
then the conclusion will be other :
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